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turned it to food stamp obama nation. war on jobs is crushing the middle class. as american cities declare bankruptcy for the first time ever. so, go ahead with "the view." go ahead with "letterman show." the clooney dinners. i understand you're eye candy. i understand you have your priorities. unfortunately, your priorities don't line up with ours. >> bob: that was very depressing. >> eric: it is depressing. >> bob: okay. >> eric: it is depressing. the man has time for the view and letterman but can't meet with netanyahu or tackle the major issues going on in america: jobs. >> bob: i would venture to say most presidents up for re-election, general assembly of the u.n. in september of election year don't have a lot of bilateral meetings -- >> dana: if you're going to say that, why don't you check it out first. we have polls who do things like that all day. >> bob: i checked in with -- >> dana: so you can say -- >> eric: we checked with the people in the brain room and they tell us for the first time in two decades, a sitting president hasn't met bye laterally with anybody. >> bob:
the obama administration insisted the assault was a protest that got out of hand. fox news confirmed u.s. intelligence did indeed know it was a terror attack of 24 hours of that evening. bill: yesterday the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the defense secretary finally statedding the obvious. >> it was a terrorist attack. as we determined details of what took place there and how that attack took place that it became clear there were terrorists who planned that attack. that's when i came to that conclusion. >> day after or was -- >> took a while to really get some of the feedback from what exactly happened at that location. >> there was a thread of intelligence reporting that groups in the environment in western, correction, eastern libya, were seeking to coalesce but there wasn't anything specific. bill: well, peter doocy is live in washington drilling down on the specifics. peter, if the administration knew it was terrorist attack in 24 hours, why did they not just say that? >> reporter: we heard from administration officials there is ongoing investigation and more details wi
obama for calling the latest setbacks in the middle east bumps in the road. >>> the president is focusing in on world peace as he prepares to address the united nations. he's also making time to woo women voters. >>> and a tv first, u.s. marines are giving new details about one of the costliest attacks on u.s. airpower in decades. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> with only 43 days to go until the presidential election, mitt romney is starting to zero in on a handful of battleground states that will decide this election. one of those states is colorado, where romney just wrapped up a rally at the pueblo airport. our national political correspondent jim acosta is standing by live. jim, what happened? >> reporter: wolf, with the calendar shrinking and the debates fast approaching, mitt romney is starting to barnstorm through crucial swing states like here in colorado. he knows he has serious ground to make up. today he tried to do just that on the subject of foreign policy. it's not debate time yet, but mitt romney was looking for one on foreign policy in fro
.n. as the obama administration explanation of the attack in benghazi continues to einvolve this morning. secretary of state hillary clinton suggesting in a gathering of world leaders that the attack was the work of an al qaeda affiliate. the secretary saying this. now with a larger safe haven and increased freedom to maneuver, terrorists are seeking to extend their reach and networks in multiple directions. they're working with other violent extremists to undermined the democratic transitions underway in north africa as we tragically saw in benghazi. that is the first time secretary clinton acknowledged al qaeda as possibly playing a role in that attack. we'll have more on that coming up. a group of senators are now demanding that susan rice, america's ambassador to the u.n., provide more answers what happened in benghazi. new hampshire senator, kelly ayotte one of those four senators who sent a scathing letter to ambassador susan rice, she will be here to tell us first-hand what that is all about. bill: meantime the violence in syria getting worse by the day. a pair of massive explosions rocking
in the race for president. barack obama and mitt romney trade prime time shots at each other with just six weeks left in the race. >> disaster at 20,000 feet. dozens still missing after an avalanche on one of the world's highest peaks. >>> and upset at the emmys. a new upstages "mad men" and grabs the top trophy. good morning. i'm zoraida sambolin. >> i'm john berman. >>> our big story off the bat, tensions rising in the race for the white house. mitt romney promising to get more aggressive in the final six weeks of the campaign. he said the president has been intentionally misleading voters about his positions. we have two telling pieces of sound to play. first, listen to president obama's heated words responding to criticism on his foreign policy. then listen to romney counter about the president's attacks on his own positions. >> i've executed on my foreign policy. it's one that the american people largely agree with. so, you know, if governor romney is suggesting that we should start another war, he should say so. >> i'm not going to try to fool people into thinking he believes things
an advantage president obama held in ohio in three polls last week, worth noting the president has a lead that is outside the margin of error. for governor romney, time that cruel, cruel mistress is slipping away. early voting begins in ohio next tuesday. can he win without the state? if history is any judge no republican in history has won without ohio. according to the latest nbc news battleground map the president is expected to get 243 electoral votes to romney's 191. with eight tossup states. obama win in ohio with its 18 electoral votes would put him at 261 electoral votes, that is just nine away from winning re-election. surprising exactly no one ohio has been a top focus for candidates. while governor romney logged 17 trips to the state this election cycle president obama is making his 13th visit this year alone. earlier this month the democratic ticket made clear just how much ohio means to them. >> if we win ohio, we win the election. >> if we win toledo, we will win ohio. and if we win ohio we'll win this election. >> john heilemann, there has been no shortage of love for the s
when president obama and governor romney go head to head a little more than 48 hours from right now. welcome to "america live," everyone, i'm megyn kelly. a new survey of likely voters finds that almost one in five say that they can still be swayed to vote for either candidate here. and some of those wavering voters say they are waiting for these debates to help them decide. the headline here according to bloomberg, about 18% of the electorate is, quote, persuadable, and that is a big number considering that early voting has already begun. chris stirewalt is our fox news digital politics editor and host of "power play" on foxnews.com. so the campaigns have got to see that, in particular the romney camp, as good news, chris, since he is shown as trail anything a lot of these swing state polls as well. >> well, certainly it's not good news if you're president obama. if that's true, if you really have 18% persuadable voters, this comes after fife months -- five months of the most stained, negative attack, most personal barrage against a candidate by an incumbent president that we've ev
the election. obama cowl make a gaffe. mitt would win the debates, go could send a flood to destroy all mankind. ( laughter ) so there's hope. >> schieffer: short of building an ark, what is romney's best chance. we'll ask new jersey governor chris christie, and one-time adversary, newt gingrich. so far romney is sticking to a familiar theme, but does he need to do more? >> i will lower the tax rate. he wants to creat to raise them. i'll create jobs and he'll kill them. also marsha blackburn, bob shrum, and larry sabato from the university of virginia center for politics. as we head into first presidential debate, we'll talk about the state of america at home and abroad with the distinguished panel. michelle rhee, former head of the washington, d.c. school system and founder of students first. economist mark zandi of moody analytics. bob woodward, author of "the price of politics" and hendrick smith, author of the new book "who stole the american dream?." it's all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schief
business just ahead. governor romney blasted president obama for describing recent violence across the middle east and north africa as "bumps in the road." we have the details on that ahead. and a strike, again, copes, players, fans, blasting the nfl for using replacement referees. it has only been three weeks. did you see what happened over the weekend? we will show you unless breaking news changes everything. this is "studio b." first from fox at 3:00 in new york city, the start to the u.n. general assembly. iranian president mahmoud ahmadinejad who is always entertaining marked the gathering of 120 world leaders with new slams on israel, the united states and members of the u.n. security council. it was not entertaining. western nations, including the united states, hit iran with tough penalties on the banking system and oil industry amid concerns that they are trying to develop a nuclear bomb. the israeli prime minister binyamin netanyahu is calling for the united states to draw a line on the sand. iran continues to claim their nuclear program is for peaceful purposes. today, t
? you can see among likely voters, a lot more people think president obama than mitt romney. suzanne. >> yeah. and that might not be a good thing for them because they're trying to lower the expectations. we'll see how it goes. >> lowering. >> thank you, paul. >>> movers, shakers from business, government foundations, they're all meeting in new york right now to tackle some of the world's toughest problems. this is the clinton global initiative that we are talking about bringing people together. more than 1,000 leaders from around the rld. secretary of state hillary clinton spoke earlier at this event. this event, of course, convened by her husband, former president bill clinton. she talked about the reaction to some of the recent protests over an anti-islam video. >> the people of the arab world did not set out to trade the tyrammy of a dictator for the tyranny of a mob. there is no dignity in that. the people of benghazi sent this message loudly and clearly on friday when they forcefully rejected the extremists many their midst and reclaimed the honor and dignity of a courageous ci
are living in poverty than when president obama took office. and 15 million more are on food stamps. my plan will create 12 million new jobs over the next four years. we shouldn't measure compassion by how many people are on welfare. we should measure compassion by how many people are able to get off welfare and get a good paying job. i'm mitt romney, and i approved this message. >> i think that ad just makes my point, they're tone deaf. good morning, it's thursday, september 27th, as you take a look at a wet times square in new york city. i'm in chicago this morning, but with us in new york city with willie geist, our national affairs editor for "new york" magazine and msnbc political analyst, john heilemann. also former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve ratner and nbc news chief affairs correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports." >> we have affairs. >> andrea mitchell. and in washington, for "the politico playbook," executive executor jim vandehei. of course, willie, we've got a lot to talk about. let's start really quickly with the refs! >> they're back.
may cost president obama. and politically looking at this sort of locked up place for him in a foreign policy debate. ben stein coming out yesterday saying he thinks this whole scandal could be worse than watergate because at the end of it people died. take a listen. >> they had warning after warning. yesterday's "wall street journal" makes it extremely clear how much warning they had. various assassination attempts. destruction of property attempts reports from various intelligence sources. they did nothing to protect the ambassador whatsoever. that's one. plus, there was the coverup afterwards. how much worse than the watergate coverup? that's a joke. >> that echoed comments made by governor huckabee. he said essentially the same thing that this does resemble the coverup at watergate in this case someone died. >> governor huckabee is going to be on with us so we can talk about that have you seen enough of all of this in the media? in fact if you have been watching fox news we have been talking about it every single day. if you happened to watch "the today show" this past week or good
. thanks for being with good morning, it's saturday, september 29th. i'm alisyn camerota. the obama administration withheld crucial information about the u.s. consulate attack on purpose. one government agency is taking responsibility is this just the white house trying to cover up the coverup. >> for get state and federal taxes. if the united nations gets its way the united states tax me g.e.d.en could go global. >> just how friendly are our skies? "fox & friends" begins right now. snet ♪ >> good saturday morning, everyone. welcome in to "fox & friends" on this early fall morning. coming up in just about a half an hour we are going to talk about whether or not spanking should be considered a form of child abuse. one state is actually moving, perhaps, to make it that way. you could be locked up as a result of it. >> looking forward to that debate. we will answer that question. which one of us three is the funniest reporter in new york? we'll not give you any clues. >> no clues. >> i said no -- >> more on that later on in the program. >> meanwhile the top story, the news that has c
but certainly by next summer. that, perhaps, is a red timeline that the obama administration could live with. >>shepard: plenty on iran but thought as much as in times past on the palestinians. >>jonathan: that was significant. clearly, iran is the major focus for prime minister binyamin netanyahu this time. not so, and predictably so, for the palestinian leader. he came out swinging at israel, essentially accusing israel of derailing the entire peace process. he used some very emotional language in describing the israeli program of settlements. listen. >> it is a campaign of ethnic cleansing against the palestinian people through the their homes and prevention of their construction. >>jonathan: in response to that prime minister binyamin netanyahu said what he calls libelous language does not help the peace process. neither does unilateral declarations of statehood. >>shepard: thank you, jonathan hunt. joining us is an award wishing journalist and fox news contributor from los angeles. nice to see you. >>reporter: my pleasure. >>shepard: your thoughts on the words of the prime minister? >>r
's actually related -- >> no, it's not. >> president obama leads romney by 10 percentage points in ohio. no republican has lost and then won the presidency. the president is up nine points in florida and has opened up a 12-point lead in pennsylvania. in the same poll, president obama leads mitt romney in his handling of the economy in all three states. 51% of polled voters say the president would do the better job. >> okay, let's go back to the last slide, guys. and mark halperin, let's talk to you. i know you agree with me that the media is liberal. guess what? republicans have somehow managed to win despite that media liberal bias. you've said it repeatedly on this show. so despite that fact, mitt romney is not getting crushed in all three of these states because of the liberal media bias. what's happening there, and why is he losing so badly, especially in ohio? >> well, it's very unlikely the president will win those states by those margins, but these numbers are not out of line dramatically with private polling and some other public polling. i think the biggest problem right now re
in the muslim world. president obama is set to address the general assembly. that will happen tomorrow. what does he need to say in that address to that group about all of this? republican senator john barrasso says world leaders and the american people need to hear three messages he believes from the u.s. president. he will tell us what he believes that must be. that is coming up a few minutes away. pressure increases on the white house to answer more questions about what happened the night that four americans were killed in libya. the government there claims that it is launching its own major crack down now against the country's militias. will that make a difference in all this? greg call coat joins us now streaming live from tripoli with the very latest. good morning, greg. >> reporter: hey, martha. we're a day away for the deadline for the rogue militias to disband. we spoke with a libyan official in trip poe -- tripoli he is claiming it is going better than expected. one of the group militants left a base here. there was a little bit of skirmishing but went off okay. they're being repla
. polls now show the president hold a slight lead. >>> president obama is right here in new york today where he will speak to the u.n. general assembly. yesterday, the president and first lady taped an interview which will air late tire day on "the view" and the interview comes 42 days before the election. barbara walters has a preview. >> governor romney on 60 minutes was asked, does he think it is fair that he pays a lower tax rate than somebody making $50,000 a year. he said yes. i think it is fair. and i also think that's the way you get economic growth. i have just got a different vision about how we grow an economy. i think, barbara, you grow an economy from the middle out, not from the top down. >> reporter: we asked the president and first lady about their future, win or lose, come election day. what are you going to do with the rest of your life? >> well, first things first. we do have -- we do have an election ahead. and i've got, all kinds of things i want to do in a second term. putting folks back to work, making sure our schools are up to snuff, and -- we've got another --
weeks to go. >>> mitt romney rolls into battleground territory while president obama has a date on the world stage. it is tuesday, september 25th. >> announcer: from abc news, this is "world news now." >>> good tuesday morning. i'm sunny hostin in for paula faris. >> i'm john muller. rob nelson's on assignment. in a moment, we'll get the latest on the speeches and stumping with 42 days until the election. >>> from heartache to happiness. the family stunned to get their dog back. years after a hurricane that hit new orleans. >>> also this half-hour, new outrage over corporal punishment. the teenage school girls getting paddled by a male vice principal. >> that sounds all kind of wrong. >>> and later a return of "dancing with the stars," all the movers and shakers from the debut coming up in "the skinny." >> first mitt romney heads to ohio to begin a three-day bus tour with running mate paul ryan. >> with 42 days to go, the stakes couldn't be any higher. abc's karen travers is in washington. karen? >> reporter: good morning, john. good morning, sunny. officially six weeks until el
'm not that patient. >> michelle obama, not that patient. well you can see the entire interview later this morning on "the view." >>> secretary of state hillary clinton here in new york for the u.n. general assembly talking about the wave of anti-american anger in the middle east. urging muslims to display dignity and not resort to violence after the film that lampoons the prophet muhammad. clinton met with the leaders of afghanistan, pakistan, libya and egypt. >>> in suburban den version the movie theater where july's shooting massacre took place will be opening. a dozen killed. 60 wounded in the attack. the mayor of aurora, colorado, says an online survey shows residents believe the theater should reopen. victims' families and community leaders were consulted. >>> an update now on the tragic death of that baby panda at washington's national zoo. initial tests show that the week-old-cub had liver abnormalities and fluid in its abdomen. could be another two weeks before the cause of death is determined. zookeepers confirm the mother did not crush her cub. she spent the night cradling a stuffed toy
this morning." as president obama speaks to the u.n., mitt romney wants to know why the president is not talking to other world leaders. >> speaking of world leaders, we talk with the rulers of egypt and iran and also with president bill clinton. >> and the controversial last-second call has nfl fans and players outraged. so did last night's game seal the fate of those replacement r refs. >> but we begin with today's eye opener, your world in 90 seconds. >> more than 120 world leaders are in town, but the president is not scheduled to meet with any of them. >> president obama to address the united nations amid growing controversy. >> he hasn't set a meeting with benjamin netanyahu of israel. >> he did tape an appearance on "the view." >> he's expected to dissuade iran from pursuing its nuclear weapons program. >> do you think this election has the possibility of producing a change that will overcome gridlock? >> i think it almost certainly will. let me explain why. i think the president's going to win. >> the call on the field stands. touchdown. >> seahawks win in the most bizarre
're in the cnn newsroom where we're live this saturday, september 29th. i'm fredricka whitfield. president obama and mitt romney are about to come face to face in the first presidential debate. just four days away, both obama and romney are practicing this weekend while their campaigns are presenting each candidate as the underdog. paul is in the battleground state of new hampshire. >> hey, fred. as running mate paul ryan makes the rounds on the campaign trail both here in new hampshire and ohio, his boss mitt romney is hunkering down, getting ready for the debate on wednesday, the first presidential showdown between him and president barack obama. romney spending a lot of this weekend in debate preparation. the same thing for the president. he's off the campaign trail today, tomorrow he does go out to nevada, but he's spending a lot of this weekend, we believe, behind closed doors getting ready. meanwhile, both campaigns are playing the expectations game, trying to lower the bar for their candidates. even the candidates themselves are doing it. take a listen to mitt romney recently on the campa
on "good morning america." stick with us, everybody. >>> to presidential politics now, where the obama campaign is releasing a new two-minute ad and in key battleground states, the president lays out a plan to create are manufacturing jobs, promote u.s.-made energy and train workers and reduce the deficit. voters in ohio liked the message the president delivered on jobs there yesterday. polls show mr. obama widening his lead in the state. mitt romney also in the buckeye state telling audiences he cares about the people of america. romney acknowledging that some of the polls show him behind president obama. but he pointed to the first presidential debate less than a week from now as a potential turning point in the race. >>> in new york it was a rough ride for nearly 200 people aboard a brazilian jetliner from rio. they were bracing for a crash landing at kennedy airport because the landing gear was stuck sideways. you can see it there. the pilot circled twice before touching down. the nose gear seemed to miraculously straighten itself out just before the plane hit the tarmac. thankfull
for the debate on wednesday, the first presidential showdown between him and president barack obama. romney spending a lot of this weekend in debate preparation. the same thing for the president. he's off the campaign trail today, tomorrow he does go out to nevada, but he's spending a lot of this weekend, we believe, behind closed doors getting ready. meanwhile, both campaigns are playing the expectations game, trying to lower the bar for their candidates. even the candidates themselves are doing it. take a listen to mitt romney recently on the campaign trail. >> he's president of the united states, he's a very effective speaker. >> he's a very eloquent speaker, and so i'm sure in the debates, as last time in his debates with senator mccain, he'll be very eloquent. >> it's not only mitt romney and his campaign playing the game. so is the obama campaign. >> what history tells us, that challengers normally win the first debate. just by the fact that they're standing on the stage with the president. that elevates them, and they normally come into these things as underdogs. we're coming into th
than when president obama took office and fifteen million more are on food stamps. president obama and i both care about poor and middle-class families. the difference is my policies will make things better for them. we shouldn't measure compassion by how many people are on welfare. we should measure compassion by how many people are able to get off welfare and get a good paying job. my plan will create twelve million new jobs over the next four years helping lift families out of poverty and strengthening the middle-class. i'm mitt romney and i approve this message because we can't afford another four years like the last four years. ♪ >>> startling new developments in the trial against the accused movie theater shooting in colorado james holmes. court documents released today reveal james holmes threatened an unidentified professor while he was still a student at the university of colorado. according to prosecutors, that professor reported the threats and holmes was banned from campus as a result. defense attorneys say those accusations of threats are false. >>> but police confir
the announcers to the fans to the players. and even briefly united president obama and republican vp candidate paul ryan. >> give me a break. >> reporter: it appears to be what finally brought the powerful nfl owners and referees' union to this deal arrived at after a marathon negotiating session. refs have been locked out since june in a dispute over both compensation and the power to bench bad referees. but the replacement refs brought in by the league, including one guy who had previously been fired by the women only lingerie football league, proved off to be infinitely worse. >> these replacement officials are not up to the speed of the game. they're not calling the thing that the regular officials would see. >> reporter: the blown calls led to coaches throwing temper tantrums, players arguing their safety was being put at risk, and fans desperately missing the regular refs who are usually taken for granted. >> but the last three weeks we have been focussed in on the officials. the wrong thing to look at. it's kind of obvious. people watch football games now, they're saying, how many bad c
in the wrong direction. >>> the obama campaign has launched its first campaign ad using romney's comments about the so-called 47%. it's running today in ohio has romney and running mate paul ryan are getting ready to kick off their bus tour. the ad says romney should stop attacking others on taxes and come clean on his own. >>> turning overseas, the search has resumed for six climbers missing after a deadly avalanche in nepal. at least nine people were killed on mt. montaslew. one of the highest and trying to recover all the bodies. ten survived and had to be flown to the hospital. many of the climbers were from europe. >>> in southern california crews are battling two dangerous fast-moving fires. the flames threaten 200 homes in riverside county and not far away from san diego county, at least four homes have burned in the campo area. at least 80 more are under threat. firefighters are battling hi temperatures and gusty winds. evacuees are staying in a nearby high school. >>> paula, it's not just california struggling with serious wildfires. dozens of fires are burning in several states and th
, shifting gears now, president obama and about 120 other world leaders gather here in new york today for the start of this year's u.n. general assembly. as iran's mahmoud ahmadinejad left tehran for the meeting, he promised a debate on the crisis in syria. iran is accused of helping syrian president bashar al assad's brutal crackdown on rebels. >>> and in syria, an explosion near the four seasons hotel near damascus has killed at least one person. a bomb hid inside a bag blew up as they held a rare meeting inside the capital city. the assad regime apparently allowed the meeting to bolster its claim of being open to political reform despite the deadly assaults on rebels. >>> despair at the national zoo. just a week after its surprise birth, a giant panda cub has died. zookeepers were alerted yesterday morning when the cub's mother made a distress call. the staff managed to get the cub out and administer cpr, but it was too late. the cub was conceived through artificial insemination after its mom had five failed pregnancies. preliminary findings on the cause of death are expected today
obama speaks to the u.n., mitt romney wants to know why the president is not speaking to other world leaders. >>> speaking of world leaders, we talk with the rulers of egypt and iran, and also with president bill clinton. >>> and a controversial last-second call has nfl fans and players outraged. so did last night's game seal the fate of those replacement reves? >>> but we begin this morning with a look at today's eye opener. your wor in 90 seconds. >>> more than 120 world leaders are in town, but the president is not scheduled to meet with any of them. >> president obama to address the united nations amid growing controversy. >> he hasn't set a meeting with benjamin netanyahu of israel. >> he did have time to tape an appearance on "the view." >> well, first things first here. we do have an election ahead. >> this is not a campaign speech. >> do you think that this election has the possibility of producing a change that will overcome gridlock? >> i think it almost certainly will. and let me explain why. i think the president's going to win. >> the call on the field stands. touchdown.
romney adviser writing "president obama is a uniquely gifted speaker and is widely regarded as one of the most talented political communicators in modern history." the obama campaign saying of romney he'll be a "prepared, disciplined and aggressive debater," pointing to the 20 debates romney had in the primaries. and as we've seen before, debates can hinge on one moment. >> how has the national debt personally affected each of your lives and if it hasn't, how can you honestly find a cure for the economic problems of the common people if you have no experience in what's ailing them? >> well, i think the national debt affects everybody. obviously, it has a lot to do with interest rates. >> she's saying you personally. >> you. on a personal basis, how has it affected you? >> has it affected you personally? >> well, i'm sure it has. i love my grandchildren -- >> how? >> i want to think that they're going to be able to afford an education. if the question -- maybe i'll get it wrong. >> reporter: then candidate bill clinton walking toward her. >> you know people who lost their jobs, lost
of three voters is over 65, romney trails president obama by four points. 51% to 47%. in ohio, romney is down eight points, 52% to 44%. and it gets about the same z mbers in virginia, eight points behind. in those three states, of senior voters who said medicare is extremely important 53% are going with president obama, 42% mitt romney. we asked dean reynolds to tell us more about the medicare factor. >> the first step to a stronger strcare is to repeal obamacare. oboos) because it represents the worst of both worlds! >> reporter: a week ago when republican vice presidential candidate paul ryan spoke about medicare to the american association of retired persons in new orleans, he got an earful. >> the law turned medicare boo into a piggy bank for obamacare! (boos) >> reporter: that frosty reaction is borne out in new polling, both by cbs news and others which found more people thought the president would do a better job handling medicare than governor romney. the "washington post" and kaiser foundation surveyed voters in virginia, ohio, and florida. in those states that found that saj
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